Transformers 2!

By CMKMStephens. 30/06/09, 08:59 am

Willuknight wrote:: the whole shanghai thing was stupid. There is no point in humans being involved in giant robot battles. Get a tank, but if all you got is a bazooka, run for the hills

The humans taking down most of the Decepticons in the first movie probably pissed me off more than anything.

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animemay wrote:: for those of you who havent seen the movie, go in with low expectations because you'll soon realise how wrong they were.

I went in with high expectations of an action movie (divorced from any sort of nostalgia, because I know Michael Bay doesn't give a damn). And I was thoroughly dissapointed. Doughnut_Bandit went in with low expectations and Michael Bay managed to give him something even lower.

I can't really see the analogy with the Dark Knight though. Christian Bale's hammy sandpaper Batman voice is thoroughly outweighed by Heath Ledgers performance. In the Dark Knight the negatives are steamrolled by the positives, same for the latest Star Trek, Star Trek was an excellent example of how to successfully blend nostalgia and newness. In Revenge of the Fallen the positives are steamrolled by the negatives.

I was telling one of my work colleagues, similar age as me what I thought of it, and he gave me the 'I'll go in and enjoy it for what it is, a big dumb action movie' talk (which is of course, what I attempted to do in the first place). The following day he was like 'yeah...you were right. I can't stop thinking about how stupid it was'.

If the quality had been as consistant as the opening Shanghai scene in how the action flowed it would have been a very good action movie.

Michael Bay has the pyrotechnic skills to make action movies. He has huge military connections that can get him his own private armies on film. He also has huge international connections, filming at the Pyramids and at Petra just doesn't happen for anyone. The problem is that they let him direct the entire movie. The scriptwriters for Revenge of the Fallen were the same for J.J.Abram's Star Trek (Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci). That movie is critically acclaimed. The weak link is Michael Bay as sole director.

Star Trek was good but as for Dark Knight as much as I want to be generous, it was medicore. The plot was weak and the hype surrounding Heath Ledger's death fuelled ticket sales not the plot.
Heath was just playing "a pretty generic psychotic role in the mantle of the joker."
Senseless killing without proper reasoning doesnt make a good film.
I dont know why people thought Joker's actions were unexpected because they werent. Random stupidity = explosions and dumbass insanity. And dont get me started on Harvey. he was pathetic. If he was raged with fury he would've gone after Joker regardless. What a douche. coocoo

Transformers is about robots fighting each other. This was lived up to.

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Willuknight wrote:: Well, the plot sucked arrrssse, so did the characterization and the pacing of the story.

Everything else was mostly ok. I was satisfied with the awesome robot scenes.

Sure, I wish they had actually bothered to make a plausible story line.
try not to question the movie too much, it does suck but it has shiney robots.

The movie basically has no storyline ? Usually get pissed off/ angry with movies that are raved about/ get good review scores because they just have flashy CGI. It's just movie- shallow.

Are people forgetting how powerful and dramatic a storyline can be ??

animemay wrote:: he hype surrounding Heath Ledger's death fuelled ticket sales not the plot.
Heath was just playing "a pretty generic psychotic role in the mantle of the joker."
Senseless killing without proper reasoning doesnt make a good film.

Yeah didn't really like The Dark Knight either. Thought that it was over-hyped..
Did like the Batman's new motorbike though, think wanted one for Christmas.. whee

By **Tamoo**. 03/07/09, 05:29 pm

...............Robots are sexy D:

By Doughtnut_Bandit. 04/07/09, 11:55 am

animemay wrote:: Transformers is about robots fighting each other. This was lived up to.

Not really, and especially when the camera shakes so much you can't tell what was going on, you got to see the army guys do plenty.

I'm going to ask you all a question: Have any of you seen all the behind the scenes for the first one? If anyone says they weren't basing it off a particular series you are DEAD wrong. G1 was the inspiration and source material for both films and the sad part is the research was done, but then must have been thrown out or forgotten.

Also I do agree the Dark Knight didn't have the best plot, it was ok. But at least it flowed well and the actors did well bringing their characters to life on screen.

With Transformers I think they failed on that front, and one of the main reasons why TF2 fails there is that they never even introduce any of the new characters. They assume with their new unrecognizable designs that you should know. I didn't even know Sideswipe and Sideways were in the movie until the end credits for example.

iwuvanime wrote:: I am both a fan of the originals series and the
movies.....and deep down I have a love for the Transformers:Robots in
Disguise series (the one with Hot Rod and his love of lil red sports
cars)

I distinctly remember you telling me you were never into G1, I remember you saying you liked RID and what not.

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I have to agree there: if I had gone in with my brain shut off and just tried to enjoy a film about robots hitting each other....

I STILL would have been disappointed. Unless one of your characters is actually Superman or Neo, you should not need bullet-time to make a fight-scene comprehensible. Even WITH the bullettime, the action scenes were clumsy, too busy and interspersed with too many testicles jokes.
Terrible Action Sequences Spoilers:

Spoiler:

OK, so I spose there was plot in there. But only in hindsight, y'know? We know what it means, but apart from #1, people who havn't seen it would not be much enlightened.

Blah.

By Doughtnut_Bandit. 04/07/09, 12:40 pm

I think that may have needed a spoiler warning ^_^;

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Really? Still? I figured anyone who cared would have seen it by now. Bah, ok.

By Doughtnut_Bandit. 04/07/09, 12:56 pm

You never know XD I'm sure people will thank you :3

By Zorlich. 04/07/09, 03:31 pm

This thread is so full of hate xD

Nyeh, I still watch G1 repetitively, but I enjoyed the new films too, I'm a special effects junkie at the same time as enjoying a classic plot, and still, there are a lot of loopholes in G1, ask me anything, the series is still lulzy

By Freddie. 04/07/09, 03:32 pm

Psssst, what G1?

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Tammy wrote:: ...............Robots are sexy D:

AGREE BUMBLEBEE IS THE SMEX !!

..Is he in the original cartoon ?

Can't remember..

By **Tamoo**. 05/07/09, 03:26 am

WHY SO MUCH HATE?

D:

Its not like any of you guys have the money and skills to do a better job. Just either enjoy or not. Who cares? Personally, I got my money's worth. I only paid $9.50 to see it, and it had cost US$200 million to make it.

By Rikki-Leigh. 05/07/09, 04:07 am

That.

Was a freaking epic movie.

Why so much hate? It was awesome. And I'm a Transformers purist.

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Because if people are spending $200 million dollars on something, it should be good! $200 million dollars could be doing something useful. It could be fixing the New Zealand economy, or feeding a state worth of homeless people in America. Or digging wells for starving children in Africa. Instead its making a crappy action film.

And, actually, with $200 milion dollars I *DO* think I could make a better action film. And don't anyone say anything stupid like "off you go then". Coz we all know no-one is gonna give me $200 million dollars. But I'd make a film the way John Carpenter, or Quentin Tarantino, or even better yet, Paul Voerhoven makes films - with love and affection, and with no cheap uplifting trumpet sections (John Williams did it, get over it!), hoping to enlighten and benefit people who watch the film instead of making a quick buck out of them. Movies you can watch twenty or thirty times because you STILL havn't noticed all the details that were lovingly placed there. And film you can actually have real discussions about, instead of films you start singing other people's theme songs halfway through.

I LOVE action films. And many of the best action films, and especially the best sci-fi action films of the 80's were made on much less money (yes, I'm counting inflation) and are films that I will watch again and again until the DVD wears out and then I'll buy again on whatever format we have when I'm 70 so I can give them to my grandchildren. If I never see Transformers 2 again, then I don't really give a sugar honey iced tea.

And since when did "being critical" count as hate? If you really can't deal with anybody giving guenuine critiques you should probably stay away from the rest of the internet.

By Freddie. 05/07/09, 05:00 am

Tarantino Transfirmers?

wantwantwant

By PIe. 05/07/09, 05:13 am

Transformers 2 was quite average to me (although a bad quality pirated version probably did it no justice AT ALL), the only things that really stood out to me were that damned Naruto poster in the dorm and as other have said, humans against robots wtf?

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OMFG Transformers would have been LEGENDARY if Tarantino had made it! !!!!!

Replace Uma Thurman with Optimus Prime, then turn up the action, and the frack-you-I-don't-need-a-plot-to-make-an-awesome-film and LETTERRIP!!!

Tarantino is a such a fanboy, it would have ROCKED. Now THAT is a film I would buy.

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u_ne_korn wrote:: And since when did "being critical" count as hate? If you really can't deal with anybody giving guenuine critiques you should probably stay away from the rest of the internet.

Most of the "critical" comments have been interpreted that way because, while it may not entirely apply to you, al lot of the critisms made had not been addressed in a constructive manner.

And moreover, I dont appreciate it when comments like "liking T2 is more of a young and stupid thing" are made because not only does it shoot down the movie but the people who enjoy it.

And no offense but I doubt you can do better. Even if you were given the resources, directing is not as easy task, vision alone is not enough it takes the right film crew as well.

By MissEevee. 05/07/09, 11:54 am

i thought both movies were pretty average.

luckily, i was never a Transformers fan.
so not too much disappointment here.

sorry. TuT;

By Doughtnut_Bandit. 06/07/09, 01:15 am

There is a saying: Going into a film and expecting sugar honey iced tea and then it is, doesn't make a good movie to me. That's like saying "Well I know dirt tastes disgusting, so if I eat some I know it is and that makes it okay..."

I went into Shaun of the Dead expecting something lame and it was awesome with way less of a budget. Bottom line, if you go into a movie thinking it'll be crap and it's better then you thought it would be then it's done okay.

People are allowed to like and not like something, but I think a $200,000,000 dollar movie could at least have a real plot and not rely on crappy jokes the whole way through.

I hate the whole "Just enjoy it for what it is" notion that everyone who likes it seems to have. I paid to see it and therefore have a right to not like it. And yes I know the 80's cartoon has a few holes, but it's expected in an 80's cartoon for kids. Not in a huge $200,000,000 film, they could try hiring some decent writers or something...

@u_ne_korn: Imo I don't think Tarentino (forgive me if I spelt it wrong) would be the right guy for the job, he's a kung fu lover more then anything else there.

animemay wrote:: And no offense but I doubt you can do better. Even if
you were given the resources, directing is not as easy task, vision
alone is not enough it takes the right film crew as well.

Not true, a visionary director can make all the difference, and she's
learned a thing or two about what to do an what not to do in a film.

I know she could do better.

I also loved how no one answered my question on the behind the scenes stuff.

By CMKMStephens. 06/07/09, 06:45 am

It's like your plumber showing up and doing a crappy job and then telling you 'Well you don't have the skills to do any better, so piss off'. That's probably true, but the end result is still a crap job. The 'Well you couldn't do any better' thing is ultimate facepalm material.

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Quote :: I know she could do better.

Well until she proves something of substance that decree stands for me and I dont mind if you hated it, afterall you are entitled to your own opinion. However, it gets to me when others have the nerve to insult others for enjoying it.

By Doughtnut_Bandit. 06/07/09, 10:57 am

Oh I don't intend to insult anyone :) People can enjoy things and not enjoy things.

What do you mean until she proves it XD That's a bit much, I know this much: If she read the script, she would have said no. And in my opinion that makes it better anyways ;D But this debate in itself is pointless XD

All I can say is I didn't enjoy it.

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Doughtnut_Bandit wrote:: Oh I don't intend to insult anyone :) People can enjoy things and not enjoy things.

What do you mean until she proves it XD That's a bit much, I know this much: If she read the script, she would have said no. And in my opinion that makes it better anyways ;D But this debate in itself is pointless XD

All I can say is I didn't enjoy it.

I didnt mean to sound harsh but if people claim to be something I hold them to their word....Anywho, I agree. Lets rest the case.

You werent the one I was annoyed at. Laughing

But yeah, I just like to share my thoughts to balance the views out.

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