final fantasy xiii mafia [n3]

By Lumissne. 13/06/11, 08:45 am

Well, for pretty obvious reasons, I won't be posting much for the rest of this week.

By RainbowMoonDust. 13/06/11, 09:23 am

Mafia killed Alex? sad

Looks like Snow protected someone but I can't tell who.

@Selpiroth: PP did practically claim, I think I know who he is too but it's not my place to say, I'm not suspicious of him. I do wonder why he is voting Greg without an apparent reason, care to explain PP?

I will go over the Alex's posts later but I for now I really need to relax, damn aftershocks.

@Thread: Thanks to the two massive quakes, I still have some cleaning to do, peoople to contact, general stuff to sort out so I'll be pretty busy and not posting much. Also my internet keeps disconnecting so I don't know how active I can be, I will try though but in the meantime there are more important things to deal with right now.

By Phlaming Phoenix-. 13/06/11, 03:45 pm

Alrighty.

First of I will address Selphiroth;
You said that you don't like people hinting about their roles. My hinting stopped a lynch of someone who was innocent, that is why. I do not hint at my role unless I have an actual reason. I agree it is not good to do, but it was necessary at the time. Also, the characters being hinted towards are sure to be in this game so please reconsider your vote.

Now for Creature.
The reason I haven't said anything earlier or said anything yet is that the points I have are going to be shot down. Creature is good at that, and none of my reasons in themselves are particularly strong.

First off, back in the stage when I was voting for the then Li-Bai.

creature124 wrote:: I am intruiged by Li-bai's hinting, and skeptical. I had also taken it as a cop hint, but she is now saying that isn't the case. And the other option to what she was suggesting strikes me as less likely, given the small number of players in the game.

So here he states that he thought Li-Bai was hinting at being a cop, implying that she was Maqui.

creature124 wrote:: I certainly do think that it is unlikely that any/all of the character li bai mentioned are in the round. I took her post as a hint that she was one of them, that I do find unlikely.

This basically feels to me like she is scum, and establishing her fakeclaim. And I'm getting tired with all the tiptoeing around. Li-bai - either claim, or don't claim. make up your mind. Either way, Vote: Li-bai. This is sus as hell.

Yet here he states that he didn't think any of those characters were in the game and that it leads him to believe she is scum. This little inconsistency bothered me a bit, but I could see he was getting frustrated, and so didn't think much of it.

However when she finally claimed, and the very next post I backed her up on her claim, creature continued to push it. He seemed to ignore it, or not pick up on what I was saying. However I have a hard time believing he would miss something like that. The claim should have been enough when backed up further from another person. It would be utterly foolish for mafia to do that on day one and the most likely alternative is that she is telling the truth.

Then XOrengenOX follows him despite her claim and me backing her up, but that is not a big thing, just a little bonus suspicion added reading back over the thread.

Creature only pulled off of that one when he really had to after 2 people backed up her claim.

However the next vote he put on was only after many people had already voted for her, and that was on XOrengenOX. That in itself is a little suspicious, but is an argument people use all the time and say he was trying to 'avoid suspicion' by joining the bandwaggon but only in the middle of it. The thing that gets me about that lynch was the lack of addition to the argument. He neither put any points for nor against XOrengenOX, yet placing his vote anyway. This seems fairly uncharacteristic of creature, but I could be wrong.

Then he was very quick to get off that lynch and try to lynch me, despite just having backed off Li-bai due to my own de-facto claim.

Man this post is getting monstrous, and if it gets any bigger no one will read it. So please guys, once again bear with me and realize that the above are not the only reasons for my vote. (this time I actually wrote them down instead of in the case of RMD earlier)

By creature124. 13/06/11, 04:29 pm

I'm also dealing with exams at the moment, just FYI. But I guess I can take a few minutes to explain myself.

Phlaming Phoenix- wrote:

First off, back in the stage when I was voting for the then Li-Bai.

creature124 wrote:: I am intruiged by Li-bai's hinting, and skeptical. I had also taken it as a cop hint, but she is now saying that isn't the case. And the other option to what she was suggesting strikes me as less likely, given the small number of players in the game.

So here he states that he thought Li-Bai was hinting at being a cop, implying that she was Maqui.

creature124 wrote:: I certainly do think that it is unlikely that any/all of the character li bai mentioned are in the round. I took her post as a hint that she was one of them, that I do find unlikely.

This basically feels to me like she is scum, and establishing her fakeclaim. And I'm getting tired with all the tiptoeing around. Li-bai - either claim, or don't claim. make up your mind. Either way, Vote: Li-bai. This is sus as hell.

Yet here he states that he didn't think any of those characters were in the game and that it leads him to believe she is scum. This little inconsistency bothered me a bit, but I could see he was getting frustrated, and so didn't think much of it.

However when she finally claimed, and the very next post I backed her up on her claim, creature continued to push it. He seemed to ignore it, or not pick up on what I was saying. However I have a hard time believing he would miss something like that. The claim should have been enough when backed up further from another person. It would be utterly foolish for mafia to do that on day one and the most likely alternative is that she is telling the truth.

I'm don't care enough to invest the time to read back for this, so bear with me because I am working from memory.

At first, I took Li-bai's hint for a cop hint /entirely unrelated to a particular character/. This was due to one of her posts which I remember was quite obvious at the time. When she then turned around and said that she wasn't cophinting, the only other possible hinty thing left in the post was that she was one of Team NORA, who at that point I did not think would be in the game (hence 'And the other option to what she was suggesting strikes me as less likely, given the small number of players in the game.')

This set off alarm bells to me because when someone hints a character in day 1 (or every, for that matter), I assume they are scum setting up a fakeclaim. Townie's rarely feel the need to hint who they are, especially on day one. I find it a handy scumtell, though nothing is absolute. There is no inconsistency here - I thought she was hinting doc, but instead she was hinting a character I thought wouldn't exist, and was therefore suspicious.

Phlaming Phoenix- wrote:: Creature only pulled off of that one when he really had to after 2 people backed up her claim.

Because it took an additional two of you to convince me that characters I consider VERY minor would be in the game. 1 person is setting up a fakeclaim, 2 people is two fakeclaims and a risk, but 3 is either legit or utter foolishness on the mafia's part.

Phlaming Phoenix- wrote:: However the next vote he put on was only after many people had already voted for her, and that was on XOrengenOX. That in itself is a little suspicious, but is an argument people use all the time and say he was trying to 'avoid suspicion' by joining the bandwaggon but only in the middle of it. The thing that gets me about that lynch was the lack of addition to the argument. He neither put any points for nor against XOrengenOX, yet placing his vote anyway. This seems fairly uncharacteristic of creature, but I could be wrong.

I was tired of day one. And before anyone pulls a 'only mafia want the night phase' on me, no. I was physics bored. All of my suspicions had evaporated or become untenable to chase, so I wasn't left with much to do. I could see the Rengen was going to be lynched, so I voted for her. Not out of suspicion, but because it was going to happen with or without me. I was actually a little surprised she turned out to be mafia, tbh.

Phlaming Phoenix- wrote:: Then he was very quick to get off that lynch and try to lynch me, despite just having backed off Li-bai due to my own de-facto claim.

The reason I immediately voted for you was because I considered what you were proposing a gross scumtell. We have already had that argument out - we don't need to rehash it here. But you did eventually convince me that in this limited power role game, no harm could come from target calling. From memory, I retracted my vote at that point. I didn't even take your character hint/claim thing into consideration - suggesting target calling was basically an auto-vote in my book.

Satisfied? As far as I can tell, you are just seeing shadows in the smoke.

By creature124. 13/06/11, 04:36 pm

Oh, and don't think I've forgotten about you, Mr. Layton. The fact that the real Vanille hasn't spoken up is indeed a point in your favour, but I've yet to hear a defence I am satisfied with on the charge of you being acutely aware you were the first to throw Rengen under a bus.

If Vanille isn't an active player (we have a couple), has some other reason to not want to claim, or just likes to physics people around (Zeo), then there would be no counterclaim. That is three reasons I refuse to take your claim as a defense in its own right.

Being under fire is no time to lead a charge, but I'm doing it anyway. In continuation from the previous day, Vote: P-Layton. I am pretty sure you are scum.

By Zeorymer. 13/06/11, 05:08 pm

I think I know who creature is (at least) pretending to be.
Vote MM

By creature124. 14/06/11, 08:32 am

I haven't deliberately placed any character hints Zeo. I don't know what you are seeing, but you are probably imagining it.

By Madam Madhatter. 14/06/11, 08:58 am

Yup Quake hit as well.
Going to be busy.
Sorry.

Creature is always a tricky one.
I'm not sure what I think of him right now.

Also I see your vote Zeo.
I also see no reasons -not impressed-

By P-Layton. 15/06/11, 02:28 am

creature124 wrote:: Oh, and don't think I've forgotten about you, Mr. Layton. The fact that the real Vanille hasn't spoken up is indeed a point in your favour, but I've yet to hear a defence I am satisfied with on the charge of you being acutely aware you were the first to throw Rengen under a bus.

If Vanille isn't an active player (we have a couple), has some other reason to not want to claim, or just likes to physics people around (Zeo), then there would be no counterclaim. That is three reasons I refuse to take your claim as a defense in its own right.

Being under fire is no time to lead a charge, but I'm doing it anyway. In continuation from the previous day, Vote: P-Layton. I am pretty sure you are scum.

I'm pretty sure I'm not (scum).
Here's my defence, again. Perhaps a bit better made, perhaps not:
A) As I had stated previously, I was only 'acutely' aware of being the first to lynch Rengen because I was rather happy with myself with being the first to vote Mafia. This might've been silly reason to be happy with oneself, but I don't care.

Now onto the smiley-like B) How likely is it that someone wouldn't want to claim Vanille to get rid of a fake Vanille? Hell, if I was a townie, and I saw someone claim my faceclaim, I'd vote the guy in a flash. And I'm pretty sure that inactive players probably have read the thread, just haven't replied to it.
And why - if I were indeed Mafia - would I claim Vanille? She's like one of the most important characters in the game. She's one character that's probably in the game. You'd have to be darn silly to claim Vanille as a Mafia. ~~Although it seems to have worked for me.~~

By creature124. 15/06/11, 05:09 am

Thank you for adding absolutely nothing. I suppose since you feel the need to reiterate your defense, I should also reiterate my argument.

A)

creature124 wrote:: Possible. Not buying it, though.

B)
You made a point against 1 of 3 reasons (though on that note I am MUCH less sure the inactives are actually reading the thread), but;

creature124 wrote:: If Vanille isn't an active player (we have a couple), has some other reason to not want to claim, or just likes to physics people around (Zeo), then there would be no counterclaim. That is three reasons I refuse to take your claim as a defense in its own right..

You still don't address a large chunk of my doubt. I myself tend to avoid claiming when someone claims my character unless I have some kind of defensive ability, so I allow for the possibility that someone else is doing the same.

I can repeat myself for as long as you can. I don't give one lumpy sugar honey iced tea if anyone else follows me on this, but I am not changing my vote. If there's one flaw in me, call me stubborn.

By P-Layton. 16/06/11, 05:05 am

I try to add nothing. It's a scum stalling tactic I learnt in MSN Mafia ;D

Can I just ask why you're suspicious of me in the first place? Is it really because I was so 'acutely' aware of voting Rengen? Is that really all it is? That's - if I may say so - a pretty lame reason. Especially to be so sure of. Or are you still clinging onto what RMD said about me?

AND I could also have noticed that I was the first to vote Rengen when we voted her off. It kind of says so in the lynch update. It's written down in the order in which we voted. Lo and behold - I voted her first and am at the very front.

So you see, you're whole 'being acutely aware' of being the first of voting Rengen is a load of codswallop. That does not make me Mafia.

By creature124. 16/06/11, 04:34 pm

You obviously don't know me very well. Once I sink my teeth into something, I don't easily let go. Hell, there is even another example in this game - remember the target calling debate?

When I read the post in question, it immediately stuck me as scummy. That was a STRONG mental click. Yes, it is my only reason. You may think it is lame. I, however, do not. I am not backing down. Because I trust my instincts.

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creature124 [1/5] — Phlaming Phoenix-
Phlaming Phoenix- [1/5] — Selphiroth
Madam Madhatter [1/5] — Zeorymer
P-Layton [1/5] — creature124

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RainbowMoonDust
Willuknight
caddyl
Madam Madhatter
P-Layton

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By RainbowMoonDust. 17/06/11, 03:40 pm

I finally have a bit of time to post so here we go:

@P-Layton: There was something that you said earlier which kept on bugging me, I couldn't remember what is was so I went back and checked. You say that you lost your role pm and that SGB refused to give you another one right? Not only that but you do not seem to remember any of it, well that's the way it appears seeing as you haven't given us any flavour yet. I find strange that SGB would not resend your pm to you, it doesn't seem like something a game mod would do and I would he would have back ups of the pms he sent out. I also find it a bit strange that you can't remember any flavour. It just seems all to convienant to me. Suspect

Now we get to my next point, your last post reminded me of the way you play in MSN Mafia. I've noticed that during those game, whenever you are Scum, you always cozy up with your Scum mate and agree with whatever they say and normally end up voting for the same person, just as you are doing now and it is one of the main reasons why I am suspicious of you.

Vote: P-Layton

I actually agree with Greg, just because there hasn't been a counterclaim yet doesn't mean you are the real Vanille and with no flavour to back you up I'm not prepared to believe you right now.

By creature124. 17/06/11, 03:49 pm

uh, RMD. P-layton isn't voting for anyone atm - who is he cozying up to? PP? I don't think so.

By P-Layton. 17/06/11, 03:52 pm

I asked Axel (in person!) why he didn't give me a back up role - if he gave me the role, he would be confirming I'm Vanille. That's what he said. Basically.
I don't see the point in his reasoning - it doesn't confirm anything - I could have lied about getting the role PM. But that's life :)

And I'm not cosying up to my Mafia buddies. You must think that MM is Mafia then. Or at least that someone else other than me is also Mafia.

By RainbowMoonDust. 17/06/11, 03:58 pm

Quote :: uh, RMD. P-layton isn't voting for anyone atm - who is he cozying up to? PP? I don't think so.

@Greg: I was referring to when he was agreeing with MM and both were voting for me on day 2, I suppose I really shouldn't bring up the past but I can't shake the feeling those 2 are Mafia, could be wrong though, who knows.

@P-Layton: Even without a resend of your pm, you should be able to remember something at least, with no flavour I'm not going to believe as I've already said. I've also been suspicious of you for a quite a while now, I've stated my resons, they are not about to change at this point.

By P-Layton. 17/06/11, 04:04 pm

I think it may have said something along the lines of 'you're always really happy but hide a dark secret inside bro'. Not verbatim, of course.

By RainbowMoonDust. 17/06/11, 04:07 pm

I don't really know what to make of that flavour as I am not theme literate at all, do we have any literates who can shed some light on that comment?

By Selphiroth. 18/06/11, 07:00 am

I may or may not have internet access for rest of the week. Apologies in advance.

By Willuknight. 18/06/11, 02:51 pm

'Sup.

So how many people are left in the game, and how many 'mafia' players is their potential to be?

By Madam Madhatter. 18/06/11, 04:02 pm

Woah. Been away 4 days and not even a page of discussion.
Activity people? Though I do realise it is hard when some of the players are away- that’s life!

@ willuknight
9 players left.
Probably 1 or 2 mafia members.

By P-Layton. 19/06/11, 01:18 pm

So MM - have you got anything to say about my flavour thing?

By Madam Madhatter. 19/06/11, 02:09 pm

Not theme literate
but
If you had said what you remembered from the start I would have found it easier to believe you are who you say you are.
Now it just sounds like you are trying to hard to back up a fake claim.

I am undesided about you.
RainbowMoonDust is still my main suspision but seeing as there are several lynch votes going at the moment and I have no more evidence then yesterday which wasn't enough for a lynch.

Right now I am just watching everyone again.

By P-Layton. 20/06/11, 03:47 am

Paraphrasing you PM to help your claim is moot.

Here's why:
I wasn't paraphrasing what it says in the PM - I don't remember it after all - I'm just saying what I know about Vanille. My point is this - it's useless for me to say what was in my PM and to paraphrase it because I could just as well look it up on Wikipedia or whatnot, and then paraphrase what it says there, right?
Because the PMs just say a little about your character, right? So I could look up Vanille, learn she's a sweet kid with a dark secret. Lo and behold - I've fakeclaimed Vanille with 'PM paraphrase'.

Or RMD could fake-claim Sahz, for example, and then look him up on Wikipedia and learn he's a badass dude with a cool theme, and we'd all be none the wiser, right? Because for all we know it might've said something along those lines in her role PM.

Paraphrasing role PMs is useless.

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