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Post By Tamoo. 16/02/10, 03:57 am

Hi Guys~!
Im doing a project for my Digital Technology class which will involve all you cosplayers C: I am working with SPCC as my client and I will be working on something that will hopefully benefit the forums and cosplay in general C;

First off, please help me by identifying issues in our cosplay community.

Thanks in advance ;D
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Post By Kitten Slave. 16/02/10, 04:03 am

Stalker/Troll/Weirdos!

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Post By Tamoo. 16/02/10, 04:05 am

Elaborate it as much as you can 8D

But yes, Trolls, weirdos, etc.
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Post By Kitten Slave. 16/02/10, 04:20 am

lol, well, yeah, the most obvious issue is the weirdo factor. And while most weirdos are the relatively harmless kind (*cough*), we do seem to attract the occasional person of dubious character (online - troll-kun - and IRL).
Especially considering we have our numbers whos costumes do not leave much to the imagination, and while there havent been too many of those, they do attract a certain breed of fan.
On one side, you also want to be polite and nice to the fan, but you end up with the "at what point is a bit too friendly, get me the hell out of here" problem.
It comes down to the security of the cosplayer, or even just their feeling of safety and security (some people are just weird, they dont mean it... I hope...).

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Post By Sonic Reducer. 16/02/10, 04:41 am

Sure their is the weirdo thing. Mostly due to detachment, geeks enjoy video game and anime and comic and whatever girls because they arent real, thus wont reject them, when they see a real girl dressed like one of those characters they kinda take it the same way.

Other than that its also human instict to wolf whistle at someone wearing next to nothing.

Other than that the issue i see is that a any community becomes more popular it also becomes more unwelcoming. By that I mean theres so many instances of shunning outsiders or anything of the such when the concept of the community at first was for the outsiders. true story.
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Post By Kitten Slave. 16/02/10, 04:49 am

Oooh, yeah, sonic brings up another one, the whole shunning thing.

I think it is a sort of stigma based on what the individual in question interprets cosplay to be.
We have seen on here how mothers and fathers often see it as being either religiously taboo, or perverted or just generally something they dont want their spawn engaging in as they fear it will cause them to be less acceptable socially.
I suppose it is a general lack of information regarding the concept - in NZ it does seem to be a fledgling activity, though growing rapidly by the looks of it.

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Post By creature124. 16/02/10, 04:52 am

Sonic Reducer touched on the gradual transition from welcoming to not. I think I'll take this idea and run with it.

He is quite right. As a community grows, it begins to reach a point where nobody knows everybody. CNZ is right on the borderline of this at the moment - we are passingly familiar with each other as a result of the forum, but when we get together in real life we don't know each other well enough to instantly accept each other and integrate together.

Case and point, ACP. Almost everyone there knew almost everyone there through the forum, yet very quickly people formed into little groups of the people they new best. And once a group like that has formed, it can be rather hard to integrate into, even if you are 'friends', but only on the forum. This problem is compounded for our truly new members or the people who don't post often who are largely unknown to the rest of us.

Obviously this is a natural human tendency and is unavoidable, but it does pose a challenge to a community such as our as we grow past the point where everyone is close to everyone. The larger we get, the harder is for a new person to find their niche in our community.
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Post By Sonic Reducer. 16/02/10, 05:00 am

I agree that this does happen because of human nature, is near impossible to find a group that won't wind up this way eventually, and as you pointed out CNZ is getting closer, and in my opinion is already there.

While this is bound to happen no matter what you do the only problem that I can say for it is that the cosplay community is predominately going to be made from the socially inept, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. So as we get new members its harder for them to intergrate and feel welcome.

This isn't directed at CNZ however the but entire cosplay community as a whole.
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Post By Highlander. 17/02/10, 10:34 am

I must say I disagree with Sonic. I do note quite a few people with mental issues and/or meds. Not sure if that is any higher proportion than the general population though? Or are we just drugging more people these days.

As for socially inept. We do have young people who are growing up. Many people have some problems in some areas, and are good in others. There are many shy people, but there are anywhere. We also have differences of opinion, age gaps, etc. We have groups who hold common values and do not like/understand that there are other people/groups with other values out there. This does lead to cliques online even, as well as in real life. However as pointed out at 900 members, and maybe 100-200??? active members it is already too large to really know/like everyone.

However there are a large number who are just wonderfully natural to talk to. I talk to people from all over NZ, and from what I hear so do many of you. And in the Christchurch cosplay club I think we can all talk to each other, and enjoy each other. I can not see most of the CCC members ever being described as socially inept. Most of the CCC are just average nice people.
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Post By Sonic Reducer. 17/02/10, 02:20 pm

by socially inept it wasn't to do with age or anything of the such but more to do with the geek culture which are not those who are frequently invited to parties or have their own.

What I mean is seeing as cosplayers are generally seen as geeks or losers by the wider world (admit it!) the community isn't that that outside of this forum and maybe a few other friends we have a clique of our own.

So people who are in the position we were formerly in may come to here seeking the same friendships we once did, however as mentioned with the increased number of people we have picked our groups and voted our leader so its made it hard for newbies (and even myself) to intergrate into this community.
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Post By Highlander. 17/02/10, 02:38 pm

Sonic Reducer wrote:
by socially inept it wasn't to do with age or anything of the such but more to do with the geek culture which are not those who are frequently invited to parties or have their own.

What I mean is seeing as cosplayers are generally seen as geeks or losers by the wider world (admit it!) the community isn't that that outside of this forum and maybe a few other friends we have a clique of our own.

So people who are in the position we were formerly in may come to here seeking the same friendships we once did, however as mentioned with the increased number of people we have picked our groups and voted our leader so its made it hard for newbies (and even myself) to intergrate into this community.

I see your point. And from what lots of people say it is true for many people on here.

But how do people know they are geeks. Sure some geeks you can pick. But as manga and anime become more common, and as friends turn friends then .... I mean cartoons and comics, and Shaman King and YGO, and Pokemon, etc, are pop culture now, not geek elites. By the time you figure out someone is into stuff you may already be a friend, and realize they are normal. Of course cosplay is more extreme, but you usually only do that around cosplayers. Except at Geddon?

And if they have few/no friends, well thats actually normal for many people, even if they are not geeks.

As for the age. Well my workmates may think it is odd, but so is stamp collecting. They really don't care about it. Adults are usually a bit more mature. I was just saying as people grow up the amount of social skills generally increases, and hopefully confidence too. At a much younger age social ineptness is less likely to be from geekiness than from shyness.
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Post By acidpinkbunny. 17/02/10, 03:30 pm

I mostly agree with Sonic. The community is tricky to get into from a newcomers point of view. The biggest problem I've had with getting into cosplay has actually been getting into the whole 'cosplay community'.
I don't know that many people who cosplay. I joined CNZ in order to try and integrate myself into the cosplay community but overall I've only really gotten to know one person.. And that was because I met them at a party.

I find it difficult not only because of the clique thing, which is a huge problem but is not really fixable, but also because I tend to find the cosplay community as a whole seems to like certain types of geek.
As Highlander says, it can be hard to define geeks but I feel the cosplay community has a sort of fixed geek idea.
I'm hugely nerdy. I've planned out my Star Wars wedding and could probably play through the entirety of Ocarina Of Time in my head, including side-quests, but half the time I don't know what people are talking about when I talk to cosplayers.
Despite the idea that cosplay is branded 'different' I often feel that I'm the outsider because I don't know about stuff that's popular inside the cosplay community. I'm not that into anime but I'm really really into gaming, yet I don't like JRPG's or FPS's. The people I relate to on CNZ seem to mostly be in the minority.

Perhaps I'm just being picky Razz But overall I've found that when it comes to the 'cosplay community' I seem to have missed the boat on what's popular within this whole sub-culture.
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Post By Highlander. 18/02/10, 09:53 am

acidpinkbunny wrote:
Perhaps I'm just being picky Razz But overall I've found that when it comes to the 'cosplay community' I seem to have missed the boat on what's popular within this whole sub-culture.

Well you can join me in the corner over there. Well maybe not, cause like I say in ChCh people don't seems to be so cliquey. So I don't stay in a corner. I just sit in the group and stare blankly as they congratulate each other on some in joke. Even if I have seen the series I probably don't remember half the names, or obscure lines. I have only ever seen one FF movie, and no bleach or naruto. I am not ever going to behave the way some anime kids do. But hey, it's fine. Cosplay aside it is about the people. And if you do a good cosplay people will still love it regardless of where it is from. I choose mine to make me happy, not anyone else. My ChCh comp outfit I have to have a long explanation of what it is and what it is from every time!
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Post By Sonic Reducer. 18/02/10, 10:39 am

no comment there.


And I don't think people sway away from "geeks" but more "geeks" do not partake in the social norm ways of uh.... socialising. Meaning a geek is unlikely to go out clubbing, to al lthe bars downing 21 shots even when its not their birthday etc etc. we're circling the same point here but all it is is that a "geek" already has enough trouble with socialising that they don't really need it when it comes to other "geeks"

I've hung out with a number of members here but I don't know if theres any i'd refer to as friends.
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Post By Highlander. 18/02/10, 11:14 am

I agree Sonic, nobody needs to be left out. But it takes effort on the part of the other cosplayers. And that means attending events for more than just enjoying yourself with your own friends. And that is not always realistic for all people.

I also think that the ChCh club mothers do put a lot of effort into making sure people are not left out. Within hours of joining the forums I had already been invited to Dunedin!

Well I know lots of people who are not geeks who don't get drunk. And some geeks who go to dance parties. What I see a lot is people who away from the cosplay club will socialize normally, and have plenty of friends outside the club. In fact despite acting like they are in a anime sometimes they also just sit and talk normally at events.

Personally I met a few people my first event. The odd one more the second event. Everyone at the first trip, cause it was a whole weekend, and they were awesome. Nobody new at the dance, cause noise/dancing and lots of people, so just not good for me to met people. And just a few at AuckGeddon. And Static and JP at Timaru. A couple more at a private party. So I still don't know everyone in the CCC by far. And the ones I know O.K. are ones I have now spent months with. And there are some people I have just got to know on MSN/PM's. And the A3 people after going to Asburton twice. Still all a work in progress. If I want to know people well it takes a lot of effort on my part. Not always successfully. But it is certainly paying off slowly.
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