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Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use

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Personalised posting styles....
should be permitted as long as they are legible.
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should be permitted regardless of legibility
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Freddie. 16/08/09, 11:57 am

Heh, I had to modify that three times cos other people posted.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Zann. 16/08/09, 11:57 am

Wow.. nice way to take my post completely out of context.. stare

I mean I can agree with the people who are having problems reading the posts of some members who format their posts.. But I can't support taking away the right of anyone's free will to post how they wish Unless it causes real physical harm of course (Or they post in a bright yellow font..)

Also I found something quite interesting

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I voted yes because I think it's incredibly selfish for an individual to expect every other one of our 500+ forum members to bend over backwards to read their text.

Is it not equally selfish to expect others to conform their posts so that others may be happy?
I'm not disagreeing with the person who said this.. i'm simply point out how both sides are in equal rights..

I still feel there are easier ways to solve this problem rather than creating a new rule or something..
As was posted in another thread there is a script which can fix the problem for people who are having problems reading the formatted text..

And yes, I know that they shouldn't HAVE to use the script in the first place but Still it just shows that there ARE alternatives...
Even if you say put a limit on the size of the font (e.g 11) it might help solve the problem as I have already mentioned it seems to be the size of the text which most people have a problem with.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By JVCA. 16/08/09, 12:00 pm

By the way, for those who have already voted before the poll was reworded - you can cancel your vote and revote if you view the poll more acceptable with the wording change.

@Zann: To put it simply - we are a community, a team. There is no 'I' in team, and for a user to say "I think that my text looks prettier like this so I'm going to make it near illegible" cancels that.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By MissEevee. 16/08/09, 12:02 pm

Freddie: sorry, but your vision can't be 20/20 unless Kiki's and mine is 30/20, as we can read smaller sized fonts with ease.

JVCA: as i said, make size 11 the default "small text" size, and i'll use it.
will you ban text speak as well?
and horrible text colours?
and bad sentence structure, which can make things impossible to understand?
personally i think that these three things make posts much more difficult to comprehend than font size.
once they are also moderated i will be happy with the fairness of this call.

and i agree with Zann whole heartedly.
isn't saying "i find your aesthetically pleasing text hard to read and don't want to change my computer settings even though it's essentially my problem" exactly the same thing? /:
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Rikki-Leigh. 16/08/09, 12:04 pm

MissEevee wrote:
and bad sentence structure, which can make things impossible to understand?

The only thing I want to point out with this is that a lot of people in a multicultural environment like New Zealand and this community are not native English speakers and have problems with grammar.

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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By MissEevee. 16/08/09, 12:05 pm

Rikki: i'm pretty sure that the people who use English as a second language have a better understanding of grammar than half of the people who use it as a first language to be honest, but i take your point.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Freddie. 16/08/09, 12:05 pm

I know my vision well Kiddo. After physics the color perception, I have to go in once a month for tests and the like.
As I said on BAD days.
When you get on at say, twelve at night, even with my eyesight, its going to be a bit hard to read.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By JVCA. 16/08/09, 12:07 pm

We already do ban text speak as long as it's not used in jest, and we at least encourage good grammar, though some members are not as skilled with english as others.

The forum rules wrote:
Please also try to type to the best of your ability - it's not too much harder to use an extra letter in some cases, such as what instead of wat, and capslocks are a sometimes food. Please don't spam your capslock key. It makes it easier on the eyes, and you will most likely get a more positive response to your query.

Horrible text colours are generally not used anyway - only one or two members use coloured text, and they have already admitted that the endeavor to use easy darker colours so as to retain legibility. If someone was posting consistantly in, say, yellow, we would have modded it by about post 3.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Reno. 16/08/09, 12:08 pm

There are many things I would like to say about this, but I think it's best for everyone if I did not.

But yea, I voted no.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By MissEevee. 16/08/09, 12:10 pm

so i could have been reporting all the text speak and it would have been taken this seriously?
wonderful.
i will bear that in mind.

i also grind my teeth when people use apostrophes wrongly.
since this whole thing seems to be about frustration, and this frustrates me, would it be wrong to enforce a spell check on posts?
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Pura. 16/08/09, 12:11 pm

JVCA wrote:
By the way, for those who have already voted before the poll was reworded - you can cancel your vote and revote if you view the poll more acceptable with the wording change.

To me, the wording is contradicting ...

I think the thing that's worse with small font is lack of grammar. Some people really annoy me because they don't use proper grammar. I'm not saying font size doesn't matter, but that grammar annoys me more.

The only thing I ever found annoying with MissEevee's posts was when I was trying to quote them - it annoys me to no end.

Edit: @MissEevee, so you complain about apostrophes and you don't capitalise your sentances?

Also, OTL SORRY TO EVERYONE WHO HATES MY HORRIBLE SPELLING Dx.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By MissEevee. 16/08/09, 12:13 pm

Pura: when you quote me, just grab the bit you need. don't worry about keeping the size right.
no one else does and it really doesn't bother me. (:

anyway, agree with you on grammar.
i was using the spell check thing as an extreme example, but the more i think about it, the better it seems...
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Guest. 16/08/09, 12:13 pm

I have issues with the question (as it currently stands and giving the amount of voting already happened it's unreasonable to tweak now):

Should people be able to use styles as they please?
Yes, please make a rule preventing use of styles that are difficult to read
No, we support freedom of choice and uniqueness, even at the expense of legibility
_____________________________________________________________________________

"No, we support freedom of choice and uniqueness"

=/=

"No, we support freedom of choice and uniqueness, even at the expense of legibility"
____________________________________________________________________________

If you want to make it about legibility, make it about legibility. If you want to make it about the moral issues of censorship, make it about that. Don't conflate the two.

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Post By Guest. 16/08/09, 12:17 pm

^ this. also if you read the poll it kinda should have the yes and the no switched places

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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Admin. 16/08/09, 12:17 pm

I would just like to say that I am posting this without altering the small size tags. 8D The "Small" option has been changed from size 9 to size 11.
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Post By Guest. 16/08/09, 12:19 pm

Then i can still use the tiny font and not get in trouble?

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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Kitten Slave. 16/08/09, 12:19 pm

Ive more or less withdrawn from this argument atm because it is honestly going overboard now.
The very fact that there is an argument over this indicates to my mind that there is a problem.
Play nice kids.
Honestly I would hope that a "rule" for such a trivial thing is not necessary.

Eevee, once again this feels like a bit of a gangup on you, but would you be willing to post using non altered sizes to the fonts?

I suspect this whole thread would then go to the dumps.
I know, its not awesome for you, but I dont think you technically lose anything.

Remember, wind, grass/oak?

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Post By JVCA. 16/08/09, 12:20 pm

RE: Poll. I will reword.

I agree that poor grammar and spelling are as much of an issue; but again (regardless of first or second language), many people on these forums don't have the english language skills that others do. If you have an issue with the grammar or spelling within a user's post (within reason: one misplaced apostrophe, or a typo aren't within reason, and you are welcome to inform them in thread of their mistake instead of abusing the report function), then you are welcome to hit the report button. If their type severely impinges on the legibility of what they are saying, then we will send the appropriate warnings. However, as said above, many users do not have the same ability level as others.

You, at least, do have the ability to not select size 9 text every time you post.

@Kiki: Now you are being deliberately inflammatory. Please cease and desist: we are having a civil discussion and you're deliberately being rude.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Rolly. 16/08/09, 12:21 pm

I voted no - but there should be some guidelines on how small text can be, or how hard it is to read or something like that.
I think it's fine if there's some expression, but making it hard for others is when it becomes a total pain.

EDIT - whoops, didn't read at the "expense of legibility" bit. Voted yes.


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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Pura. 16/08/09, 12:21 pm

@ MissEevee, you agree on grammar and don't capitalise your posts ...
And I didn't mean keeping the size. It's how it appears in its own separate box thing inside the text box.

"Should people be able to use styles as they please?
Yes, please make a rule preventing use of styles that are difficult to read
No, we support freedom of choice and uniqueness, even at the expense of legibility"

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Should people be able to use styles as they please?

Yes, [Ie agree on the yes up there] please make a rule preventing use etc. etc.

IT'S CONTRADICTING Dx.

Edit: Ohlul. Jess is changing xD.
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Post By Guest. 16/08/09, 12:22 pm

It was more of a question, could i use the tiny font and not get in trouble or will it from now on be like taboo?

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Post By Admin. 16/08/09, 12:22 pm

Kiki, you're seriously not helping your case. I had to quote that to be able to read it.

NO ONE uses that. And MissEevee herself suggested that the size 9 be changed to size 11. -_-;;

And what Jess said. 8D
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Post By Willuknight. 16/08/09, 12:23 pm

u_ne_korn wrote:
I have issues with the question (as it currently stands and giving the amount of voting already happened it's unreasonable to tweak now):

Should people be able to use styles as they please?
Yes, please make a rule preventing use of styles that are difficult to read
No, we support freedom of choice and uniqueness, even at the expense of legibility
_____________________________________________________________________________

"No, we support freedom of choice and uniqueness"

=/=

"No, we support freedom of choice and uniqueness, even at the expense of legibility"
____________________________________________________________________________

If you want to make it about legibility, make it about legibility. If you want to make it about the moral issues of censorship, make it about that. Don't conflate the two.


the poll choice i put in first said the first option, JVCA edited it to the current question.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By JVCA. 16/08/09, 12:26 pm

Sorry for the temporary lock (it\'s unlocked now) - there\'s a glitch with the poll editing that means that if the \"there has been a new post\" dialogue appears, the poll resets itself from what I\'ve changed it to back to what it was. sweatdrop

Poll is now straightforward, and about posting styles rather than censorship issues.
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Re: Rule Suggestion - limitation of style use
Post By Freddie. 16/08/09, 12:28 pm

My vote remains the same.

I honestly don't care what color or size your post is - the centered thing is more of a personal irk after spending so long on RP boards.
All I care about is if I, or people with lesser sight, can read it.
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